My Reviews - Jenna 2nd20 - I'm second to none!

I had the pleasure of visiting with Jenna for the second time Tuesday evening, when I arrived Jenna greeted me at the door in a very very sexy black outfit and welcomed me with lots of hugs & kisses. Since it had only been only 2 weeks since our last visit we only chatted for a few minutes before the fun began. Our session started with lots of caressing and DFK while undressing each other before moving on to the main event, without getting into detail I can say that Jenna has a GFE menu and all items are served with enthusiasm and a passion that will leave you breathless and wanting more. By the time our visit ended we had run way past our scheduled time. I thought my first visit was fantastic and didn't think it could get any better but Jenna out did herself and now I am eagerly awaiting to see what is in store for the next visit. It's best to contact Jenna by email because she rarely visits the board, you can visit her website for contact and additonal info. Thank you Jenna for another great time and am looking forward to the next one. Jenna's website: http://jenna2nd20.rare-companion.com

I saw Jenna in March 2010 at her playhouse in Kzoo...When I knocked on the door a pretty lady answered..I was blown away with her looks...We talked on the couch for a while, then she grabbed my hand and we walked into the bedroom..Once in the bedroom, she started to kiss me and started to touch her all over..She then pushed me down on the bed, She took of her outfit and underneath was a sexy bra and thong, I started to play with her boobs, she told me that she loves to have her tits played with..So as I sucked on her boobs, she went down on me and started to give me a BJ...After I was hard as a rock, she asked me if I was ready for some real fun...She got on top of me and started to ride me..As she rode me, she told me to suck her tits and she wanted me to grabb her tits..She loves to have her boobs played with as she get's it hard..She was loving it cowgirl style...Her boobs were bouncing up and down...She told me to give it to her faster...After cowgirl, it was her turn to be on the bottom..I climbed on top of her, she told me to put my cock between her tits, she gave me a tit fuck..man she loved that, then we did missionary position for a while,,she moaned and told me, faster, I want it faster,,,damn this was hot...She said man, I love your cock,,it feels so dam good...After missionary...She bent over the sided of the bed and told me to grabb her ass and give me some cowgirl,..she wanted me to spank her ass as I stuck my cock in deep...She told me, she was cumming all over my cock...She kepot tell me to f-her hard so I did, she told me that she get's off when guys play with tits while she is being fucked...Wow is she hot and suck a hotty..Her outfit was so great..A pink bra and thong...WOW I would see her soon...Thanks Jenna...

TimSS5...I saw Jenna in Kzoo in December of 2009...When I walked in to see her I recieved a nice hug and kiss..We sat down and talked for a while..She is so fun to talk with..Then after about 15 mins of talking, she grabbed my hand and we started to walk to the bedroom..Once we were in the bedroom, I set on the bed, she pushed me down and got on top of me, she then started to rub her boobs in my face, WOW..she has nice boobs, we also did some LFK...As I sucked on her boobs, she started stroking my cock with her hand...Wow what a hand job.Then of course I sucked on her boobs some more..She told me "man your mouth feels so nice on my tits"...Then she worked her way down to give me a nice BJ...When I got hard, she got on top of me and started some great cowgirl(CG)..She rode me fast..Man is she great at cowgirl..I loved seeing her tits bounce up and down...She is very vocal..telling me to give it to her hard, then telling me to stick it in deep...She is an animal..After some more CG, she told me she wanted me to give it to her doggie style...So we did some doggie that was fantastic...She kept telling me to grabb her tits, she loves having her boobs played with alot...Which I don't mind ha ha ha...After some Doggie...We both needed a break..So we cuddled for the remainder to my time with her..I would give her a 10 out 0f 10...I loved her sexy outft also...Go see Jenna NOW....

Jenna has been on my radar for quite some time now but just haven't been able to connect, well that all changed last night and it was definitely worth the wait. I arrived at Jenna's location and was greeted at the door by Jenna in a very sexy christmas outfit and welcomed with a big hug and warm kiss. After talking and getting to know each other a little it was time to unwrap the lovely gift that sat in front of me. Without going into details I can say that Jenna provides the ultimate GFE experience that will leave you wanting more. By the time I left I was weak in the knees and had smile on my face that still hasn't worn off. I'm already looking forward to spending more time with this lovely lady when she makes her next visit here. Jenna, Thank you for the great time last night and look forward to visiting with you again very soon. Jenna's profile: http://aesource.net/index.php?action=profile;u=2169 Jenna's email: jenna2nd20@yahoo.com

Jenna2nd20 - The Trifecta... So everyone has a top three to do list, right? Last week at this time, it consisted of Kathryn, Brooke McClain and Jenna2nd20. Right now I can say that one of my goals of completing a top three list in one week has been accomplished!!! These three traveling buddies are simply amazing!!! I got the opportunity of a rendezvous with the incredibly beautiful Jenna2nd20 at her vey nice incall location. When she opened the door, she absolutely took my breath away! This is one stunning woman from head to toe. She was dressed in beautiful 5" CFM pumps and something else that was very sexy, I am sure, but I couldn't take my eyes off that beautiful face. We had a great chat about the wild vacation she just returned from, with lots of stories and laughs. She is a true joy to talk to! Business soon got more serious and I can tell you, this incredible lady has some MAD skillz. Some of the most eloquent French I have had the pleasure of listening to ensued and was followed quickly by a very intense pony ride. (I just love horsies...and this was a thouroughbred!) A mish mash of everything one could hope for precluded the cutest little puppy showing up and completing the first of a few tasks I had on my mind. I can tell you gents that his lady likes to tease and please, and has the ability to make the dead rise...quickly. After gazing into those gorgeous eyes, I knew I was in trouble! A quick back massage for her and all of a sudden she grabbed the phone...3 minutes later Brooke McClain breezed in the door looking hot as Hell! They both tackled me and pounced...fantasy #2 for the day. I am not sure exactly of what transpired next, beyond a huge tangle of beautiful and me, but it was all good - real good. Somehow, Jenna ended up in a chearleader outfit with knee high white boots - OMG! As you can imagine, I have been reduced to a quivering pile of mush - but smiling mush. I really don't have the words to describe her beauty or talents, suffice it to say that the name 2nd20 (second to none) suits her well. If you have not done so, I would recommend that you move Jenna up in your to do list, contact her through email is the easiest, since she is not on the boards a whole lot. jenna2nd20@yahoo.com . She does post a schedule when available, typically on the westside boards. My biggest problem is that I now have a top three to re-do list that is exactly the same as my to-do list was last week. Is that progress? Thanks Jenna for being that perfect Trifecta and I will see you again soon! G.

I had the pleasure of spending some quality time with Jenna. She is more beautiful in person than her pics reveal and she has a phenomenal body. Jenna is the epitome of a TRUE GFE in every sense of the word. No wait, I take that back. She is a TRUE PSE! She has a FULL menu and all you need to do is ask. Her sessions are unrushed and she is inquisitive of your desires. I highly recommend her to all my fellow hobbyists, and after you see her, you will thank yourself that you did. I welcome PM's of gratitude after your session. Grin I intend to see her again very soon. Disclaimer: The above is only a fantasy and should not be construed in any way that implies the commission of any act in violation of any local, state or federal laws.

Reviewer:rgb2245(22-Oct-2008)Just spent one sensational evening with Jenna.My first playdate with her.WOWWWW What an evening.We first intraduced ourselfs then sipped on some chilled champagne and conversed with each other to get better aqainted.She's defenatly one classy lady by defenition.We also listened to some comedy from louis black and started with some DFK.After warming each other up we proceded to the bedroom.Then she Kissed me down to misterhappy and began rising me to attention with a passionate bj.We then proceded with MISH and some finger foreplay.She then slide down my body for some more bj.WOWWWW guys she is superb at this.She takes great pride and pleasure to provide you the upmost complete satifaction.Trust me guys treat this lady with compattion and the upmost respect and the rewards will be worth it.Jenna works very very hard to provide you with complete satisfation. Do her justice and treat her like a beutifull and gorgeous lady that she is. You wont regrett it.My playdate with was originally set for 2 hours but ran some time beyond that.She did not worry or get flustered. Infact she is no clock watcher.I would recommend her to anyone.Thanks Jenna for one mind blowing experience. I look foward to our next playdate very soon.rgb2245.

Saw Jenna recently at her in-call location in Kalamazoo. Despite some bad weather we have heard about, and this being our first visit, she was very welcoming and genuinely interested in putting me at ease. There are so many words to describe her. Here are just a few: Fun Gorgeous (everything) Bubbly Sensuous Energetic Sexy Passionate Responsive Hot Intelligent Talkative Aims to please Athletic Shapely Likes her work Assertive GFE all the way, and many more acronyms that go along with it. She really is 2nd to none. Definitely plan on seeing Jenna again; as soon as possible. Jenna's profile: http://escortvault.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12197 Some photo's: http://escortvault.com/index.php/topic,93042.0.html

This was the second time Jenna visited Chicago. For her first time I saw her info on roomservice and scheduled the very first appointment with her. Unfortunately, it snowed the day of her arrival and I was not able to reschedule. I was determined not to miss her on her second visit. Although she is a YMMV type of lady, those of us who know how to treat a lady with respect need not worry about that label. When she opened the door I was like Wow... I am going to have a great time. She was in a very sexy suit per my request. Of course this was a suit that wasn't appropriate for any office I've worked in. But, that just made it that much nicer. We talked for a bit. We had spoken and txt a number of times before my appointment day. So,we were actually very acquinted with each other. But, this was just to get things started up at a nice pace. It wasn't long before we were stroking each other leading into some nice LFK to DFK. We made out for a very long time like kids not ready to actually have sXX. Then the clothes began to disapear. Next Jenna starting kissing down my torso ending at my where she began a really nice warm . She stayed at this for about 5 minutes and couldn't take it any more so I slowed her down and went back to dfk. She really loves giving hxxx because it wasn't long before she slid back down. Well, I wanted to get in some pxxxx so I asked for the cover and we went at in mish for unfortunately only 10 minutes or so before we both exploded. We talked for a bit after she cleaned us up. Unfortunately, not that my time was really that close to being up but I needed to get back to work. She went into the bath with me to run the shower. When she bent over to start it, That absolutely great BACKSIDE of hers looked so fantastic I had to have her/it one more time. I asked I know I'm the one who said I should leave. But, can we go a little longer. She smiled and simply said. sure sweetie I followed her back into the bedroom so I could watch her butt on the trip. I took her panties off again an we started feeling each other up. It was probable 5 seconds before my was ready again. I did a little finger play to get her going and went at it mish again. This isn'teven my favorite position but it was just great being face 2 face with her. We did this for a long time. It wasn't happening for me. So, she went back to with me standing and her on her knees. That didn't work either. Then she said, I know what you need. She got on all fours and guided my cxxx into her pxxxx from behind. Boy was she right. Seeing that butt backing up on my cx was fantastic. It didn't come easy. but, in due time I had a really good o in lazy doggie. This was a spectacular time with a spectacular lady. This is only the beginning of my experiences with her. I have a long list of things I will be doing with her when she comes to town again with her friend Brooke. :-). I don't know when that will be. But, I'll be on her list. I only hope she enjoyed having me as much as I enjoyed being with her.

What more can I say about spending time with jenna2nd20 that has not already been said. Of course she is easy on the eyes but it is her personality, her taste in music, movies and world events that makes her stand out in my eyes. I like that I learn something new about her every time I see her, I like that she is comforting and for the time I spend with her my daily problems disappear, this is what makes her 2nd20 to me. She builds my confidence, strokes my ego and sends me out the door smiling, what more can you ask for ? Her website is: http://jenna2nd20.com And to jenna............. I leave you with a poem: Quote My mistress' eyes are nothing like the sun; Coral is far more red than her lips' red; If snow be white, why then her breasts are dun; If hairs be wires, black wires grow on her head. I have seen roses damask'd, red and white, But no such roses see I in her cheeks; And in some perfumes is there more delight Than in the breath that from my mistress reeks. I love to hear her speak, yet well I know That music hath a far more pleasing sound; I grant I never saw a goddess go; My mistress, when she walks, treads on the ground. And yet, by heaven, I think my love as rare As any she belied with false compare. William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616) TGM

talked to Brooke on my last visit to Detroit last November but could not make the connection because of my scheduling issues. I asked her if she ever travels and she said that on occasion she did. I was in KC on some business for a few weeks and asked if she was traveling this way. She had just concluded a tour and was on her way back to Detroit. She said that she would visit me in KC if I assisted with travel, which I was more than happy to do. She told me that she was traveling with a friend and that they love to work together. Jenna, her friend, is a doll. The two of them complement each other very nicely. WOW is all I can say. Please read on VIP's!!! Jenna's Email: jenna2nd20@yahoo.com

Hi Guys and Happy Holidays I just wanted to tell everyone about this lady, Jenna 2nd20 she is by far the best SP i've ever been with. I've been a member sence 05 and i've seen about 15 girls. Not one made me feel like Jenna did. She is one of the most beautiful women i have ever seen and shes even more beautiful on the inside . I know a guy like me would never have a chance to be with a women like that out side the hobbies world, but for the hour i spent with her. i was brad pitt, i was the man and it's a feeling i won't soon forget. So if your looking for someone to have a good time with Jenna 2nd20 is it Jenna 2nd20 if you read this thanks for a biirthday i will remember for ever. i hope to see you again reel soon Blubals4ever (Bob) http://escortvault.com/index.php?action=profile;u=12197 Profile link added by moderator

Reviewer : bsq84 email this reviewer Rating : Best ever Overall Attitude : PSE Title : Jenna 2nd20 - a stunning SP - WOW Review Date : 12/13/2007 Visit Date : 11/29/2007 Visit Length : 2 Hours Visit : Provided Extra Time Visited At : Detroit, MI On Time : Yes Meeting Location : Escort's Hotel General Details : I had the pleasure of visiting with Jenna2nd20 (second to none) recently. Jenna greeted me at the door in very short shorts & a pink T outfit and welcomed me with lots of hugs & kisses. We chatted for a few minutes before the fun began. Specific Details : The session started with lots of caressing and DFK while undressing each other before moving on to the main events. Jenna has a GFE menu and all items are served with enthusiasm and a passion that will leave you breathless and wanting more. The two hours went by way too fast. I thought my first visit was fantastic and didn't think it could get any better. This visit was stunning! Contact her by email or phone. Visit her website for contact and additional info.

Once upon a time, in a small little hamlet, there existed such an exquisite beauty that the villagers could not contain their joy. They all wished that they could be close to this ray of sunshine called Jenna2nd20, in order to brighten their mundane existence. For the lucky few who could manage to find their way into the light, pure enlightenment awaited. I happend upon a chance to join those lucky few recently, and I have shed any last remnants of mundaneness for very bright sunshine. This, not being our first encounter, was magical. Not only does Jenna possess an undescribable outer beauty, she is perhaps one of the most spectacular inner beauties that I have ever met. We scheduled an extended visit, because the two of us knew that we are incapable of limiting ourselves to many time constraints when we are near. Jenna has one of the best grasps of the French language that anyone could ever hope for and seems to enjoy speaking it fluently. We enjoyed multiple everythings; rooms, movies, music selections, positions, drinks, peaks and even baked some cookies for a friend. No need for serious details here, just insert your own fantasies come true. This is one incredible woman!!! I eventually has to climb back down into the village and join the commoners once again and did so reluctantly. Jenna has the ability to make short work of any recovery time for me and I just couldnt seem to get enough of her treasures. Do yourself a huge favor and see if you can mesh schedules with the pride of the hamlet. Your fellow villagers will appreciate the permagrin that will be attached to you forever and ever. Let it be decreed that Jenna posts occasionaly, as she has limited availability, but usually in the Westside sections......Just dont take my time slots!!!! The End G.

Last week at this time, it consisted of Kathryn, Brooke McClain and Jenna2nd20. Right now I can say that one of my goals of completing a top three list in one week has been accomplished!!! These three traveling buddies are simply amazing!!! I got the opportunity of a rendezvous with the incredibly beautiful Jenna2nd20 at her vey nice incall location. When she opened the door, she absolutely took my breath away! This is one stunning woman from head to toe. She was dressed in beautiful 5" CFM pumps and something else that was very sexy, I am sure, but I couldn't take my eyes off that beautiful face. We had a great chat about the wild vacation she just returned from, with lots of stories and laughs. She is a true joy to talk to! Business soon got more serious and I can tell you, this incredible lady has some MAD skillz. Some of the most eloquent French I have had the pleasure of listening to ensued and was followed quickly by a very intense pony ride. (I just love horsies...and this was a thouroughbred!) A mish mash of everything one could hope for precluded the cutest little puppy showing up and completing the first of a few tasks I had on my mind. I can tell you gents that his lady likes to tease and please, and has the ability to make the dead rise...quickly. After gazing into those gorgeous eyes, I knew I was in trouble! A quick back massage for her and all of a sudden she grabbed the phone...3 minutes later Brooke McClain breezed in the door looking hot as Hell! They both tackled me and pounced...fantasy #2 for the day. I am not sure exactly of what transpired next, beyond a huge tangle of beautiful and me, but it was all good - real good. Somehow, Jenna ended up in a chearleader outfit with knee high white boots - OMG! As you can imagine, I have been reduced to a quivering pile of mush - but smiling mush. I really don't have the words to describe her beauty or talents, suffice it to say that the name 2nd20 (second to none) suits her well. If you have not done so, I would recommend that you move Jenna up in your to do list, contact her through email is the easiest, since she is not on the boards a whole lot. jenna2nd20@yahoo.com . She does post a schedule when available, typically on the westside boards. My biggest problem is that I now have a top three to re-do list that is exactly the same as my to-do list was last week. Is that progress? Thanks Jenna for being that perfect Trifecta and I will see you again soon! G.

I just spent an amazing time with jenna. Her hourly rate is $$.5. She is not only beautiful as reflected in her photos, she is the epitome of a TRUE GFE. No wait, I take that back. She is the epitome of a TRUE PSE because I felt like I was in a porno. She has amazing skills, especially her "oral" communications which are top notch. She is eager to please and has a FULL menu (one service requires an additional donation)--all you need to do is ask. She is nowhere near a clock watcher as our time together went way over schedule. I had a great time with her and will see her again. Please PM me with questions. Caveat: The above is only a fantasy and is not to be construed in any way as an actual encounter or the commission of any act in violation of any local, state or federal law. Grin

WOW! This amazing, beautiful, intelligent, sexy lady is the real deal. I saw her post on westside providers and gave her a call and I am glad I did. In a few short minutes talking to her, on the phone, she captured my interest and I had to see her. I am glad I did, it was one of my best experiences ever!!! The one draw back to her is she is in Kalamazoo, but she does travel once in awhile. If she was any closer I would probably go broke. Her pictures do not do her justice. She is a beautiful blond, with a very toned and tan body. She has to be Kalamazoo's best kept secret, I know why there aren't more reveiws on her, her clientel want to keep her to themselves. I thought SP stood for service provider, after seeing her I think it stands for Special Person. To reach her call 269-492-4164!!!!!!!!!

Seen Jenna2nd20 a couple of different times recently. Once in K-Zoo, and once in grand rapids. I will start out with saying that both times after seeing her, I could skip my cardio workout for a couple of days. Damn, a very high energy chic, and I mean that in a great way, cause that is the way I wanted it. Guys, if you dont want it that way, dont let what I am saying scare you away from her, cause I am sure she will accomodate what pace you would like...But back to Jenna, what a frickening HOTTIE, and like I said, she was like trying to keep up with a jackhammer that just robbed a bank. WOW WOW WOW.....I have run the River Bank Run, done triathalons, but none of that can prepare you for the " Jenna Workout ". Very hot girl, beautiful, intelligent and lots of fun. Do yourself a favor, and book with her, thanks Jenna.w

Date: April 6, 2007 Provider: Jenna 2nd20 City: Kalamazoo Appointment Type (incall/outcall):Incall Provider Category (agency/independent):Indie Services Offered: ummm.... everything i needed and moreSession Length: an hour...i think... Fee:$$ as the Description you were given accurate?She is hot! Blonde hair, blue eyes and a body that is smokin'' The kind of girl you dream about. Jenna is maybe around 30 but i didn't ask. Where did you hear about this provider?found her here Provider's Body:she has an amazing body...tits, ass, legs, tummy.. What was the Provider's Attitude like?In her own words she likes to be a bit "aggressive" Grin Were the pictures accurate and recent: may i be redundant and just say she is gorgeous? Would you recommend to others: Does that mean i need to share? Scorps 5 Questions: 1. the appt. lasted longer than i deserved 2. we had lots of communication... she has a great phone voice! 3. the appt. started on time 4. Jenna was a great investment of my time....and.... 5. I don't think that i can say enough good things about Jenna. OPTIONAL: Comments: After we got things set on the phone, I arrived at the incall location a bit nervous. Jenna answered the door in a dress that knocked me off my feet - she said it was a corsette dress. Needless to say, the dress immediately drew my attention away from her amazing eys to her fantastic breasts and the rest of her body. we sat for a bit to say hi and began to make ourselved comfortable with each other. We moved to the main event and found ourselves naked in moments. Jenna likes to have fun in bed and is an amazing lover with the ability to give and recieve pleasure. There is a little thing she does with her fingers when she is about to cum that i really liked. Jenna, thank you for fitting me into your day. I had an amazing time with you!

This is the girl-lady-woman...you can just sit across the room and look at...for hours...LOL...seriously...she has physical attributes possessed by few...a very very photogenic face, extremely intelligent lady, all that comes with a brilliant sense of humor..yea I know...can this be true..YES...I attest to it..when she says "2nd20"(second to none)-she epitomizes that statement..she has class...and time with her is much more than a visit it is a in a couple words a SUPERLATIVE EXPERIENCE...after you see her I am certain you will concur..all contact information provided on her posts or can pm here. ...she is much more than worth seeing...after my meeting with her -----------all I can say is ...DAMN!!!....DAMN!! ALEA IACTA EST or SUND!!!(if you know this you have too much education...LOL) Her profile: http://www.scorpsguideusa.com/yabbse/index.php?action=profile;u=25152 her pics: Shocked Shocked Roll Eyes http://www.scorpsguideusa.com/yabbse/index.php/topic,86983.msg182267.html#msg182267

Date: 3/14/07 Provider: Jenna 2nd20 Email Address: URL / Website: None City: Kalamazoo State: MI Area / Address: Don't know her address and didn't ask. Appointment Type (incall/outcall): Incall Provider Category (agency/independent): Independent Services Offered: YMMV Session Length: 1 hr Fee: $$.5 Total Paid: $$.5 Was Tipping or Up selling an issue? No Was the Description you were given accurate? Yes Hair Color and Length: Blond, shoulder length Age: 30-ish Race: European-american Where did you hear about this provider? Another SP and Scorps Provider's Body: Slim/slender, not skinny or too thin. What was the Provider's Attitude like? Extremely positive Were the pictures accurate and recent: Jenna is more attractive in person, I thought. Would you recommend to others: Definitely IP's 5 Questions: 1) Did your appointment last the ENTIRE time paid for? Yes 2) From the time you decided to make your appointment to the moment you walked in the door, rate on a scale of 1 - 10 ( 1=lousy 10 = perfect) your experience with communications with the lady. If there was a specific breakdown, please give details: 5, her cell phone battery was low. Also, I wasn't clear as to what number to reach me at. So, enough blame to go around. But it all worked out in the end, no pun intended. 3) Did your appointment begin on time? If it was late, how late? No. We originally set it for 4:00 PM, but I was late and a previous appointment she had was late. So I got bumped to 4:30 PM. 4) Would you say, all in all that you got great value for your investment? 5)Considering all of the elements of professionalism (timeliness, communications, performance, value), Would you recommend this lady to your closest fellow hobbyist without reserve? Definitely OPTIONAL: 6) If you could have improved one aspect of your experience, what would it have been? I should have scheduled more time. Jenna was fantastic. Comments: What can I say? In my mind, Jenna is one of the most gorgeous women I've ever met. Her eyes sparkle, her smile gleams, her face is radiant, her body is as close to perfection as it gets (in my opinion). She is very friendly and made me feel at home from the start. We chatted easily, laughed occasionally and just seemed to hit it off. No complaints from this end. I had a great time and sampled as much of the menu as I wanted, but of course YMMV.

Since there was a new lady in my area, the 269, I thought I'd pm her and see if we could set something up. That went easy enough, and she replied that she'd see me at my place. After some time trying to figure out where she was coming from, we got the logistics good and she followed me to my location. We started out with some LFK, and got more comfortable. A nice massage, a bit of touchy feely with each other, and some recipricol oral, we started some real fun. I must say, she's got skills that make you weak in the knees. I'm still reeling, even after she left. She does have pics with her posts, and they are accurate, but don't show off the whole package, which is better than the pics... You can contact her through PM or by phone. Her number is 269-492-4164. She returns calls and makes you glad she did... where did I leave my Powerade... Slick from Sinfest...